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Definitely support the Meiling Appreciation Fan Club that seems to be gathering steam in this thread (I know my mate Chris would be totally onboard with it, so I get two tries okay), but Sakuya... can't say I ever went through a phase with her myself, Tenkko. Granted, her Stage 5 theme is awesome; easily the best tune in EoSD in my humble opinion. However, right from the get go, I took an instant dislike to her in Wandering Souls, not least because she appeared to have that big sister of the group vibe going on. I suppose it didn't help much that she was way underpowered compared to Reimu & Marisa either, something even Estheone admitted when I eventually pointed it out to him. (=^_^=) (It says わくわく / waku-waku on that Meiling GIF by the way, indicating she's trembling with excitement.)

Oh wow, it seems like I missed this one. Yeah, I wonder when she will come to Global, and if it will be like with EoSD Patchouli and put her in a bundle with the other PCB alts. People have been wondering where PCB Yuyuko is though, given that she apparently appeared somewhere.

Hello soda, I wish I could transfer units from one player to another, as I would have donated you my EoSD Patchouli. I played on that banner for a bit, looking to mostly get Reimu, but something like 1250 SCs and a bit of mental sanity gome, I got all of the EoSD retros. At least I made an irl friend happy by getting Cirno... I guess this is what has commonly been defined as FOMO ("fear of missing out"). Honestly, I am going through the same feeling, which his one of the main reasons I have not skipped a single day in this day since I got into it. Now though, I may start feeling sorry about it, as I have grown too invested into everything to drop it for good. No matter how much we are getting annoyed or mald and seethe about the game, we still com back to it. NO. MATTER. WHAT. And it is not like the two of us suddenly dropping it would have any result on the game itself. If both of use are 100% f2p players, we basically do not exist in the gacha chart. Oh boy. I do remember the days when the biggest controversy in the game was the fact the Alterisa and Suika had back-to-back banners. But ever since, it looks like this incident might be nothing compared to everything else that came afterwards. Even though some still put it as the episode when things started going wrong with Global (though I would rather put it either at the 0.5 Anniversary or somewhere at the time of Mysterious Sword Master). I really wished those were just cute summer outfits just like you. But even outfits are regularly a bit on the expensive side, at 480 GCs. I will bring again this mountain of text, just for the sake of explaining relevance of characters based on what it seems to be the future of the game: They really range from minimal to extreme huh. The previous chapters had a focus on using L1 characters in different situations while keeping the Alts limited to the "main characters/focal characters" of the arc, like Ultra Myon/Loliko and Altrisa. Now they're changing that to the Hifuu route of "Basically any character involved is getting an alt" which lets them put out these alternate designs as characters instead of costumes and sell a shit ton more Ufes/Efes banners. It's a tough question where you draw the line between what's suitable for a costume and what can be an alt, so LW basically drew the line using their universes. Iterations of characters who aren't L1 can be released as separate units, characters who are L1 can only get costumes, not alts. That would monetarily incentivise the devs to focus on spamming out these non L1 redesigns and keep the L1 costumes to events only, and since the precedent is that story related characters are Ufes or higher, that makes it a double win for NN when they choose to create a shit load of redesigns from different universes all at once. Gleam from that what you will. Ultimately all that I want though is just for Chapter 4 to be a well told story, no setting is inherently bad, it just requires the finesse of a good writer to make something interesting out of it. To expand on the middle point. What I mean to say is that, if I'm right, how NN has drawn the lines of their universes, we may never see an new summonable L1 Reimu, or Marisa or whatever, instead only getting "alts" from other universes. Since story based alts from other universes tend to be Ultra fes or higher units now, and with as many characters as we can see here, this could be the point in which fes units basically become what gen units used to be. Ufes units will become the new Fes units, in that they'll take the place that fes units used to represent. Fes units will become the new gen units, in that they'll take the place that gen units used to represent and Efes units will take the place of ultra fes units, in that they'll take the place of what Ultra fes units used to represent SPECIFICALLY back before the mechs, where ultra fes was given to the main characters of the respective universes, Myon/Loliko and Altrisa style. With this, they can effectively just raise the price of summoning across the board with A-series units representing the only point of new regular fes units once L1 is finally complete, and everything else being Ultra or higher while gen pool units effectively vanish all together, quite the scary possibility. Ultimately I'm just doom-speculating, so let's just hope it doesn't come to that. [And in reply to that] Thing is, Fes units are already becoming what general pool are, literally. Yukari and Kasen got moved to to the general pool (also maybe Byakuren but I can’t confirm it other than one person’s screenshot). Assuming every L1 Fes will share the same fate, from now on the Fes pool will just be Retros. The general pool will probably be very cluttered and stagnant while they keep pumping out Fes+ units. Sure, them pumping out alts was an inevitable outcome considering their refusal of making PC-98 units and their being only so many Windows units, but they shot themselves in the foot by pumping out units every week, the costume system blurring the lines between what should and shouldn’t be an alt, and the multitude of rarities So from what I understood: - current general pool category might become useless/irrelevant - FES as the new General - every rank moved one lower (say hello to UFES as the new FES and Epic FES as the new UFES) - basically UFES units will be the norm when it comes to new main story universes - it is very possible the general summoning prices to go high(er) - and my conclusion: "guys, we are out of the classic 2hus, we need something to shove to the people QUICK!"

MEILING APPRECIATION!!! JAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ok, back to the topic I hope I didn't misunderstand this topic I can't really get how people like Sakuya? Just, idk, she's a bit basic to me. Like yeah yeah time stopping is cool yadda yadda, but it's nothing really special yk? I may be a bit biased, not so sure. Is it because she's (probably) a DIO reference?

Maybe sumireko was never in a main game and stuck in the spin offs so everyone shrugged. As to why I think all three getting the title, I think it comes down to the fact that at various times they have all been used as playable characters in games that never really made sense to have as a character. While we get for example, reisen being playable in LOLK because it made sense being a space rabbit and the only character that had a stake in the story outside of "we don't want the lunarians here"

She DID get a banner, which is why I'm scared for global

Dude, where the fuck are the PC-98 characters? PC-98 Reimu and Marisa WERE in the story (Now I can't remember if it was Hifuu or the Main Story, but I know they were there somewhere), amd they did mention Yumeko, so where are the others??? I'd actually sell both of my kidneys for a playable Konngara. or any of the HRtP characters, I wonder how YuugenMagan would look like. Speaking of the devil, Alterisa came back with a rerun! So far, there banners are live: - Remilia Scarlet (L80) (Relic), new unit - UFes Meiling, new unit - Small Yuyuko (UFes), rerun - Alterisa (UFes), rerun - Patchouli (EoSD) (Fes), new unit (although her banner ends today, so idk if I should include her) - Suwako (MoF) (Fes), new unit - Koishi (SA) (Fes), new unit So, either retros of UFeses huh. I hope that the next retro won't be (spoilers)

Meiling fans unite

Ughhhh, I feel you so much, at this point it actually feels like torture when I play TLW. Every time I see that a new unit has been announced, that is either a Retro Fes or a UFes, I genuinely fucking die on the inside. I'll probably just rant from here on out so be warned. I sparked for EoSD Pache a few days ago. The only reason being that I have EoSD Marisa and PCB Alice (my beloved <3) and I wanted a Magic Trio with those 3, so I'm guessing that the "Collecting PNGs mania" caught up with me. A few days ago, I was at my best friends place, and in our Discord server, I set up a webhook that will show TLW updates in a seperate channel, for both global and JP updates. I kid you not, when I saw that they were gonna release UFes Meiling, I almost started crying, since we JUST finished trying to get EoSD Pache, and we DIDN'T get her (He doesn't play TLW, but he does get how prayers work and does know about Touhou from me because I won't shut up about it), It feels so bad because the rates are fucking attrocious, they release characters at the speed of fucking light, AND NOW (spoilers) I can't fucking do this anymore, I know that it probably isn't healthy that I get THIS mad over a stupid gacha game, but I feel like I'm gonna miss out on so many things if I DON'T get the 2 units I mentioned just now, especially since those 2 are my favorite Touhous of all time. Now I remembered the reason why I stopped playing this game. And fun fact, I stopped almost 2 months later, after the game released last year! I remember the last banner I saw before coming back was Alterisa. The only reason that I came back is because I saw pics of EoSD Rei and Mari, and they *genuinely* haunted me in my dreams, so one day I woke up after dreaming about TLW, and said "ok ill install it again", and now I'm back thinking about uninstalling it again lmao OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHH man, I'm pretty angry at this game, if you couldn't tell already lmao

Alright, so to develop a bit what I was talking about: - after more than a year of playing the game (Touhou LW), I feel like it has become stale. Everything is the same daily grind which does not really bring you any sense of fulfilment. You just grind for rare story cards with awful drop rate, grind points for events, grind characters to raise their level, grind items to use on upgrading said units etc. The new game mods have not felt very exciting at all, and were rather a frustration, even if they are supposed to be the more "strategic" modes (Conflux and whatever EX there is), the endgame. But it only feels cheap, with enemies that have multiple HP bars and whose gimmick is to lock your abilities while one-shotting your units. - the way in which they are giving priority to new content is weird to say the least. Chapter 3 (with its way too prolonged story in 4 acts) took over a year to be completed and translated on Global by what seems to be a 2 men team. However, it looks like it only took them 5 days to already translate the teaser for Chapter 4, and the Dev Letter on the 3rd of August might actually be what will announce that story's introduction on Global. Meanwhile, Chapter 3.5 is still ongoing, and was not solved yet. There is no sign we will get next part of Interlude, whose ending apparently ties into Chapter 4. And let's not talk about the story cards which for months have been waiting to receive a translation, still staying there with a "Coming soon...". - the characters - oh god, the characters. I am quite scared to say, but I am not feeling excited about anything coming at all. Let's take it chronologically with the story. Chapter 3.5/Interlude has already been out for half a month. However, as a surprise, Sumireko did not come yet as a banner despite her being the protagonist of that story (contrary to the seeming custom of LW to add a new character as banner soon after their story). Then, what seems to be the new set of units. First set of 5 units to be more precise, all on the same theme: BEACH EPISODE. Yes, it was inevitable as a gacha game to get such a phase eventually. It would have been fine if the characters (Yukari, Reimu, Marisa and Hecatia; Summer Rinnosuke will probably be NPC) were just summer costumes. But NOOO, it is already confirmed that at least "Summer Yukari" will be a separate unit, and an Epic Fes one above anything else. It remains to be seen what will be happening to the other ones. - one more chunk of characters - the ones announced in the past couple days. Is it just me, or many of them feel like either cheap recolored units or just do not fit aesthetically into Touhou? Like without the Touhou brand stamped all over them, I would not have been able to recognize them. Before, alts seemed to be only the exception, that character who used to be affected most by the Lost Word incident. Chapter 1 had no alt. Chapter 2 had Scarlet Marisa. Chapter 3 introduced Tiny Yuyuko, Mysterious Sword Master, Blue Reimu and "loli Yukari". Then Hifuu pretty much went full on alts only. Which in itself is interesting if well executed. But now, I feel like they are becoming slightly too many, with some hard to recognize who they originally were. Let's take this one for example: Initially, I though this was an alt version of Sanae. However, surprise, surprise, this is actually Yuuka. Had I not been told, I would have never realized it. The design itself is nice, I am not gonna lie. However, I am starting to feel like this game is starting to scream more and more OC galore, as they are running out of official 2hus to add. But this is more of a problem with gacha games in general. Always forced to add new content to stay relevant, they had to add everyone in as soon as possible. And now, after 2 years of JP, they are scraping the barrel. Once the whole UM cast is in, it is very much game over until ZUN comes up wit new characters - of course, if LW survives until then. And it is not necessarily about the fact they are adding alts. Again, it is fine, since we are talking about a premise revolving around going to alternate universes. The only problem is that these characters might take the spot of the official characters. When the game came out on Global, alts did not exist yet, the tier list being made out of the original 2hus. Now, if the OCs take the spot, what will happen to the game? Will this just be a game that has the word "Touhou" in its name, but will be more about alts? Will this become just "Touhou OCs - The Game"? Sometimes, it really feels like the real 2hus barely get any love anymore. If these new OCs will be mostly UFES and SFES, I am not very sure relevant that designation will be anymore. I do not really know how relevant the designations are anymore. It is already confusing that we have 4 different paper doll kinds, or that 2 new rarity levels were introduced in just a month. The normal Touhou characters, especially those from like last year, are no longer relevant, and will be replaced by reskins of them, I mean "retros" just because nobody really seems to be planning to update them. I wonder what will this game bring up next... tl;dr: Honestly, I feel very fatigued, and without high expectations or excitement for what is to come. I just want to finally finish the collection of personal Top 10 Touhou characters, and then to take a break. Maybe part ways with this game at last, or just take a long break until anything new and actually interesting will be introduced. I still have hopes for this game to bring in something good, even if my hope is low. As for you, @Isaac I think LW Global lost a good chance to add Parsee with the SA Koishi banner. In my case, I guess Wood EX will be the moment they will finally add Raiko into the game. As for Chimata, only god knows when she will come. I just hope it will not be too late for that, until I will finally break and lose all hope and interest in this game.

It comes from mountain of faith where she said it once and has become her catchphrase of sorts like patchouli and mukyu

Yeah, you're right about this one chief. TheM3ds with his Flanderization thread (God, I miss him a lot), Count with his underappreciated character thread and yeah the character hate thread. I don't really know how to make a good title; consider this as a refresher. Ay, I ain't aware of the "Aya being Zun's wife" meme but this is the one right? All right, it's for announcement of 15.5. Very nice picture and how I miss this by not checking Twitter. Back on the topic of Aya For a crow, I've to say she has got a strong voice and cows naturally have it too. Anyways, I would really love to read her newspaper since it contributes the expositions among characters well in a natural way. If only she took several pic of Alice and put 'em on the front (as well as other forgotten charaters from the banished realm). Also, one question. Where does the "ayaayayayaya" meme comes from?

Don't forget about that famous photo of ZUN standing next to a woman (some say it's his real life wife, some say she isn't/wasn't) cosplaying as Aya as well. However, the title of "ZUN wife" also seems to have been shared through time by Sakuya and Sanae (funny Sumireko did not get the title, given how proéminent she was around the time of her debut - but talking about Sumireko is a whole different can of worms in itself, be it canon or fanon).

Yet. Watch Out.

She's always pretty wacky whenever she appears, outside of her ability (see CoLA 4-5). But I've held this belief for a while that most people go through a Sakuya phase at some point before moving on. jk i respect saguya fans