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No, no, no!!! Not this damn crap again!! (T_T) How it is in Japan is exactly the way it bloody should be. People who obsess over the rights of fictional characters have lost their grip on reality and I for one am not going to get drawn into that argument again because it always devolves to hysterics. Lolis aren't people, they don't suffer abuse - stop listening to feminist lies and dogma! As for H material in general, we all go through an ambivalent phase: that's part of growing up and experiencing new things. Even I did with Sailor Moon when I was younger, deleting everything and not looking at a single image for around 3 months until I realised just how ridiculous it was. The Japanese don't care what Westerners think because they don't see adult material in quite the same way we do. It's merely okazu to them, masturbatory material... and yes, there's just as much of it for women as well, take it from me, so this is not entirely a male-centric thing either. (>_<) Christianity has taught us to view everything as a sin, yet Buddhism & Shintoism teaches one to embrace life's pleasures (you do know what shrine maidens like Reimu were originally for, I take it?). The Japanese also utterly embrace the philosophy of keeping public and private life totally separate, something Westerners seem to have no end of trouble doing, especially nowadays. Wear a suit & tie during the day and toil at the office; spend your off hours drinking lots of sake and banging young women in an image club who dress up as anime characters for you. It's a totally different world, that's all I can say. The way I see it, CVN, you have two choices: follow your own advice and chill out where this material is concerned, ignoring what you don't like and enjoying what you do, or run for office and attempt, no doubt unsuccessfully, to get it all banned. Personally, I'd recommend the former because the latter will deaden your soul, like it does with every prodnose who believes their life is the yardstick by which everyone else should be judged. Even Eiki wouldn't ban porn, you know, even if it was of her. (-_-) ETA: Oh, and I actually bought that game incidentally; it's by the same circle as Youmu Konpaku & Dungeon Of Lewd Creatures. Whatever you may personally think about the content of those titles, I've actually talked to the creator and he comes across as a decent, hardworking individual who sincerely cares about his productions. No-one is forcing you to buy or play them - you are as free to dislike them as I am to enjoy them. Let's just leave it at that, shall we.

Basically a continuation to this thread, but from a different angle. Shifting the focus from official material to fanon material. This started as a simple question, but now I am slowly losing the flare to write it. However, I will try end it with whatever I can still salvage out of my mind. So, let's start. Why are Touhou fans so horny? Looking online, old discussions have always placed Touhou as number #2 or #3 online in terms of the amount of questionable or explicit content. And a good chunk of it seems to be coming from Japan alone. The brief discussion with SasaMisa and Turbonator in general chat served a warmup for what will be going on here. As i was saying. This whole idea to question bugged me since a few days ago. A simple walk through Twitter took me down a whole rabbit whole of questionable and explicit content based on a single artist's retweets. Basically, from a single person, you could end up creating an entire network of artists, most of them from JP. Before I am fully losing coherence, I will just expose my points as a series of ideas: I guess "porn/sex sells" like the saying has always been - I was told by a friend I would be extremely surprised how much an artist can win out of two things: porn/hentai and furry art why is there so much questionable and explicit material about child-looking characters? (not just in Touhou, but as a question in general) - I am sorry to put it so bluntly, but if Danbooru for example was to add a couple new tags, those two would be "child porn" and "fetish" why are we craving such kind of content so much? what is the appeal to such content? why is this so much of a Japan associated thing? At least from my perspective as a European, that sort of thing is utterly bizarre. If a convention or any sort of event was taking place here, with public of all ages, selling smut of any kind would have turned into a public outrage. However, when it comes to stuff like Comiket et al, it seems lie you can very easily sell such content, together with the whole concept of having doujins fully dedicated to just drawing hentai of that subject out of any franchise online, how did Touhou gain so much popularity in terms of such content? is it just because of the almost total freedom ZUN has given in terms of fan materials? did you ever had that kind of weird moment and sensation when discovering a piece of fanart you like and and is perfectly SFW actually has am NSFW version too? it feels very odd if you ask me, especially if you were only used to the safe one, and it was something you really liked despite not having a clear source for the claim Touhou is in top 3 when it comes to the amount of smut material dedicated to any franchise, i do have a source for something else - apparently, Touhou fan art is the one the gave birth to "Ahegaokin" (and more or less the meme too) through a Patchouli image; at least that is what Know Your Meme says going from memes to stats, I have alt least two sources - one for which I need to credit @Tenkko and one I found by chance; it comes in regards to the the amount of Touhou fan content that goes into the unsafe area on both Pixiv and the more infamous R34 (wish we also had a Danbooru/Gelbooru stat, as you could find a lot more there too) (possibly severely outdated) R34 stats from last year in regards to Touhou content (no PC-98 stats though) Also the Pixiv stats as offered by Tenkko + a few comments on my side Also finally, there is this little thing (I cannot believe I had to rely on XE3G weeb for the info, despite how much I hate him as the creator of the "I want mommy" meme format and basically a huge liar). This is, at least from reading the comments, what happens when you let a hentai doujin try to do a safe-for-work project (game is Touhou Shoujo - Tale of Beautiful Memories) The comments, knowing this dude and the kind of audience he brings in, are not so much of a surprise. Honestly, I am not so sure why I am bothering so much anymore. I only end up looking like a failed crusader trying to have a failed fight against something I cannot defeat. But I think the simples thing would just be to sit down, relax and embrace the fandom with whatever it brings in, safe or not, in good or poor taste. But I am still curious though. It is almost pathological for me to ask questions about stuff I do not understand or might have a different opinion about. So yeah, this is the new direction in which the original thread is going. Since this is also basically some sort of fanservice, just of the more innuendo type.

I like to bring up the point again that ZUN is lax on the property which could account for a lot of porn. If the creator has no problem with people using his character so it'll be safe to do well anything with them

A very true statement. I would not have brought that if SasaMisa did not bring it up first in the first paragraph. Going on a political tangent he last thing I ever wanted to do, but I see he/she brought it up first, therefore I had to try defuse it somehow. Plus, I have only brought two extracts from legal acts in order to show a comparison between two very different systems, each with the own set of values and morals (at least from the perspective hitting closer to home). If I had a copy of the Japanese act too, I would have brought that in as well for a better image. Also yeah, the "us vs them" mentality can be quite unhealthy, especially when used for not so good intentions. But yeah, I would like to stay as far from that as I can, at least here, since it is so unnecessary. Anyway, back on the original topic of the thread?

It's fine to learn and study politics, you never stop learning new things. But by obsessed I was talking about the personal idea of people seeing politics in everything to the point that they must try and force everything into their own political viewpoint and if it's not then it's an action of the other political side. A sort of extreme version of "us vs them" mentality

My opinion on why touhou specifically has so much porn could come down to ZUN being incredibly lax on people who use the property, a similar thing is with Scott cawthon of FNAF fame who encouraged fan games and was also lax towards his property, which can extend towards doujinshi/porn. There are male feminist, just thought I let you know. And this phenomenon seems to be really concentrated in America/Europe All in all, don't become obsessed with politics.

Hello. It seems like I accidentally angered you, for which I am very sorry. I don't know where you got the feminists part from (I am a dude), especially since in my country the feminist movement literally does not exist or it is seen as a joke and degenerate aberration created in the West (looks like some bits of dogma from the former communist regime are still alive in here, even 30 years later). Still, the principle is simple, at least according to state laws: if it is smut, it is smut no matter the character is real or not. This is the world I have been living in for the past 20 years now, the world I was born and raised in: This part is actually interesting. I like learning about new cultures, especially when they are extremely different to the one I am coming from. It is still more than likely a culture shock to me. We, as Romanians in general, look at Japan and the rest of North-East Asia as if it was a completely different planet from the realities of our own country, from customs to culture, values and even infrastructure & level of development. As for that materials, I guess they fall into the same category as that old illustrations Japanese have been creating since the 1600s? (funny how the whole tentacle trope thing for example has been illustrated since the 17th-18th century in old art) Even if rather vaguely, I think I have heard about the original scope of shrine maidens (a little bit of a refresh would be welcome though). I think you have mentioned at some point you are British, correct? Therefore, you might be an Anglican (sorry for making assumptions). Well, Anglicanism (and any other Protestant branch) is quite different from the Eastern Christian Orthodox faith I was born and raised in (yeah, here the parents and society basically born you into the religion, as children are baptized to the Orthodox faith at the age of a few weeks after birth - i.e you have already been part of that religion even before you were born) Orthodox Christianity is a bit of an odd one, probably the most rigid of Christian branches and closes to promoting basically medieval era values IN THE 21ST CENTURY. These sort of values could have worked in a predominantly rural community 100 years ago, but in the modern age things are different. Anime is basically seen as idolatry here, an object of abhorrent sin. Again, in the 21st century in a society that wants to be seen as modern. Aso I personally have nothing against the way people decide to live their lives. To me, as long as you are decent person and can have a nice conversation to, you can do whatever the heck you want or be whoever you want. I would definitely want to learn more about Shinto and Buddhism though, as they seem to be a very stark contrast from the values I was raised with in my community. Especially when it comes to what you have said. And for that, I am trying to be quite as open as I can in order to listen. Alright. So, if I gave you the impression I came here to condemn the entire hentai industry, then I think I have failed to express my message. I have personally come to accept the existence of such content, and sometimes there is also a bit of good in it too. In the original fanservice thread, I have already mentioned my personal conditions/preferences for what I accept even if the material itself is NSFW. Long story short, just to be in good taste (even if that is relative). I am quite ready to leave things aside, but I am way to curious. Curious to learn and understand better the way people think and act. After all, this is not too different from a sociology research we are so encouraged to try in college. Also if I ever tried to run for anything, I would not ban this content like you said (I am laughing quite a bit at how Australia has decided to completely ban hentai). Besides, nice take on the Eiki part. Played it quite well towards the sentiments of the original poster (me). These are my personal rules when it comes to accepting NSFW material: Let me be honest right now. I know absolutely nothing about that game I posted. All my info about it comes from a questionable source, I have only learnt about its existence today, and what I know from it comes from YouTube comments. Also sometimes known as: There is no doubt there are also decent people who make this kind of content. And I am quite glad you had the chance to get in contact with such a person. Overall, I feel sorry to have angered you. I can understand if you were just trying to vent, as I also tend to get into a heated argument when I feel like I want to get something out of me. Perhaps now it will be a little more clear from what sort of background I am coming from, and how did I end up asking this kind of questions. Maybe this unrelated thing will calm down the waters a bit. Therefore, my sacrifice:

Most of said content is made by the Japanese. From Wikipedia: "Fictional child pornography such as Lolicon, and Shotacon are excluded from the law. These fall under "cultural and artistic activities" which are protected by freedom of expression."

Considerations of chronology upon the horizon, but I'll likely address those in their time. Oshio Hakumu - The Tank Girl's Dream At times, unique styles and unfamiliar genres will naturally stand out to me among more predictable arrangements, yet at other times I'll be looking for something specific. Provided there is a balance, this tendency should have a positive impact on the selection I present here. For this particular piece, the former perspective is implicated. Metalhead33 - Forest of Tohno (SYNTHGMS) This has been the most difficult track to decide a feature for thus far. There was exactly one professional arrangement I could find, which was IRON ATTACK!, and I wanted something calmer. It is possible (even probable) that the title similarity with Fantastic Tales of Tohno contributed to the scarcity of findings, but even that accepting, I suspect there simply aren't many remixes of this piece. Kishida Kyoudan & The Akeboshi Rockets - Legendary Wonderland Add on to the early statement "unusual artist names;" even now, there's some established circles I've never heard of, and I suspect this will always be the case.

hello my name is shrimp_fry i logged here one month ago im still a newbie as you can see.

I too am confused as this piece sounds like One-Way Accelerator and I dug up the answer, a quote from this description: So the Og is from TeiShan Amaki's Theme from "Mrs. Estacion" and the arrange one is from Nitori's AfterExtra Stage Theme from "Mountain of Faith" (The current one I posted) And the One-Way Accelerator. (There're quite a few of themes based on a fan song) Aside that, I've stash this: Now for the big question, where does this come from? The circle is kimino-museum and it's also from an album; it's one of the best vocals I've ever heard and the flow is very good. Last but not least @Drunken_Flower will you handle tonight festival for a great man whom had made us who we are today.

This is hilarious. Meanwhile check out the penal code of the United States and Romania as a stark contrast: As you can see, drawing is included. There, if going by penal code, a good chunk of what e define as hentai is basically banned by law, even if Japanese legislation calls it "cultural and artistic activities" which are protected by freedom of expression." Here is also the Romanian Penal Code, Article 372 (might need to study the Penal Code more as a Political Science student myself) To translate for anyone not knowing Romanian: The Romanian Penal Code does not go in as much detail about all the media through which such content is created or spread, but has a different, interesting part - the "despite not depicting a real person".