How was your high school? Or just school in general, college is ok too

[Jaz:3]

This is totally gonna be long,... if I went with it for that long, idk, just feeling like writing it all out, why not. But ye, feel free to share ur story if u want or u can read wat I have to say.

 

Spoiler

Currently playing a game named "Class of '09" and I'm almost finished with it. So yeah, I got the inspiration to write this from that game. My tone would probably go in in line with the game cus I've been playing for awhile now. The tone might be nihilistic and negative abit.

Anyways, I'm not gonna waste time anymore, let's get into it. Highschool... mostly sucks ass tbh. 11th grade was probably enjoyable tho, But mostly, it's a shitshow, like is it possible? Highschool is like a small society for all to participate. Literally the bad, the good, the evil, all in one combo. People sucks massive ass too. Not to say like there aren't good people tho, but...I just got this feeling that I shouldn't hang around with some of those people, like just screaming "NO". There are some fun moments but after that it feels like shit cus it's value of being fun only last in that moment, then it expired, does it matter? Whatever. Probably not. I guess those fun moments have values if it actually means smth to u. Are people fake? Is any emotions real? 

From almost a pedophile teacher to drugs, what the fuck dude. Also, why are people equally shitty? From the kid tries to be tough and shit (he's kinda of a bully, but I don't really see it that way very much) to the the odd ones out (quiet kids and whatnot, one kid I found out was actually shitty, and might be has something wrong in his head from reading those manhwas or whatever, but I don't really know tho). And my "relationship" with that one girl too, but I'm not going into it (maybe next time). There's also this girl who is pretty and nice... but I feel bad vibes from her tho, we talked, and I know she flirted with me and stuff but like,... who tells another boy that she broke up with her bf and kinda giggles at that, like what? U inviting to date? No way... her relationship with the previous bf is kinda controlling ngl. If I said yes, she'd probably broke me honestly. 

But can you blame most of them? Like everywhere I go...people suffer, their parents as well too. Like one guy have their parents not live together and he spends some time with them out far from the city, a guy who lost his mom, a group of kids where I think their parents are rich but don't care about them, abusive family..., a girl that argues with her mom constantly, drinks alot, and walked out the house sometimes, a girl whose father basically don't want to do anything with her and don't go to work but stay home all day and her mom in not mentally ok and the girl's relationship with her mom isn't good....amongst other people. I hope their situation gets better tho. I hope they're happy now .

 

 

Why does going to school feel dangerous? I felt that it was kind of fun and stuff but deep down I know it's kind of fucked up. Other schools too. Fuck.

Now to most people I guess they'd feel like it's just a day to day struggle and that's normal and I get that, like it's just how it is. But looking back now,... damn, that's crazy. And this is schools from my country in Asia. I wonder how schools from other countries are like? Maybe all the schools in the world are some way alike to each other.

Maybe you'll have peace if you're by yourself, but I don't think that's entirely true. Why is it hard to trust anyone?  Hm... That's why I don't give a shit if someday the friends and new friends I made might one day back stabbed me, or relationships just end bitterly. If things is good, then cool, but if things are bad, well, fuck it, whatever. 

Does this also explains the school shootings happening in the west too? Like some people with a messed up head combined with the mad world of going to school results to that? maybe....idk. It's just crazy.

 

I'm in college now, the first 3 weeks was a blast, the best 3 weeks of my life was spent in a 3 weeks military program (not like the real deal but like 1/10th of that), that's how I see it. It's even better than high school. Not saying I very deeply hate high school with my gut, it does sucks but I enjoy the 3 weeks more. After that tho, everything is just normal, not anything worse or better, kinda better? But mostly normal, and I'd take that.

Why did I even wrote this? I don't think it's really a big deal to think about the high school in the past. Like, does it matter? It shouldn't matter that much, especially the bad stuff. It's not like I'm venting or sad or angry or anything. I guess I'm just looking back and now that I think about it, maybe it's just what it is. So yeah, that's my normal school life, just a normal experience. And now it can fuck off, I don't wanna waste my time thinking much about it.

 

Oh yeah, lonliness can go fuck itself too, but I don't hate it that much tho...do I? Like it's not that serious to me... Ugh, whatever. Not gonna think about that,

 

So yeah, that's how I feel about it,

 

Maybe I'm just lonely.......but only if I let it make me feel that way. 

 

[koakumas]

as a californian, school here is absolute dog water. i have been slapped with the state test now because its the mfing STATE TEST. i could go on with ranting how sh_tty my school is but i’d rather not rn

[ShionYorigamiEnjoyer]

My high school experience wasn't that bad as I kept to myself and group of friends, but there were a lot of issues with staff, students and administration. Also like koakumas said f state tests, idk how the california one is but the STAAR and TELPAS were dogwater.

[grimoire]

we slaves 

[Quote]

I generally don't think of my school that well, mostly because of my classmates and because of some other factors.

There's also this one story I remember from primary school but I think it sounds like something out of r/stories or whatever.

Edited April 28, 2024 by Funny Joke Here

[Macbeth]

Highschool was the worst 4 years of my life. 

[suyu_]

actually not too bad, but also not too good. i'm really looking forwards into college cuz i'll finally study what i like

[Yumetou]

My high school years were awful. 0/10. My happiest moments were walking with my dog. I eventually left and went to college however, and had a completely inverted experience. Everyone knew who I was, even if they had never seen me, I was one of the lead figures of my fraternity, and had more friends than I could count. I even was nominated for student body president, even if I only found out after the election.

 

Life gets better. Keep your chin up, and focus on being your best You. Bad times pass, but good times keep you going long after they're gone.

[koakumas]

On 4/27/2024 at 9:52 PM, ShionYorigamiEnjoyer said:

My high school experience wasn't that bad as I kept to myself and group of friends, but there were a lot of issues with staff, students and administration. Also like koakumas said f state tests, idk how the california one is but the STAAR and TELPAS were dogwater.

in california, we have things called elpacs and caasps, which both run the tests. the whole test system worked like sh_t and the questions are either stupid or confusing. however, this year they were surprisingly easy and short. finished both in a day

[Jaz:3]

On 5/2/2024 at 10:17 AM, koakumas said:

in california, we have things called elpacs and caasps, which both run the tests. the whole test system worked like sh_t and the questions are either stupid or confusing. however, this year they were surprisingly easy and short. finished both in a day

I never lived in the US. Are there any reason to do those tests? Like do they do anything for you? Or they're just there for wasting ur time and being useless?

[koakumas]

5 hours ago, Jaz:3 said:

I never lived in the US. Are there any reason to do those tests? Like do they do anything for you? Or they're just there for wasting ur time and being useless?

it’s mostly a thing to see what you have learnt in your entire school year

[ShionYorigamiEnjoyer]

On 5/1/2024 at 10:17 PM, koakumas said:

in california, we have things called elpacs and caasps, which both run the tests. the whole test system worked like sh_t and the questions are either stupid or confusing. however, this year they were surprisingly easy and short. finished both in a day

It seems slightly better than staar. The subjects we got depended on grade level and a lot of questions had double answers in which both were correct but one was 'slightly' better. The one thing I couldn't stand is being in the same classroom from 8-3 without being able to talk or do anything. 

 

19 hours ago, Jaz:3 said:

I never lived in the US. Are there any reason to do those tests? Like do they do anything for you? Or they're just there for wasting ur time and being useless?

There's genuine merit behind them, its basically a mass assessment to see what needs to be worked on in the future. It's just a matter of how the school wants to go about it. Telpas was a waste of time for all of us taking it. Basically if you were identified as an ell or bilingual student you're forced to take it from k-12th grade regardless of how proficient you get in English. Its just generic essays, speaking, and listening tests that don't do much for you. Again its there for a good reason but it overstays its welcome.

[ReisenFanatic17]

it's pretty nice i guess

the only problem is my classmates cause they're absolute morons.

 

[Presadhereno]

Typically, I'm weary of showing my age on forums due to possible (even if unspoken) guidelines concerning age, but this forum seems to be lax on that.

I'm currently in high school, and my biggest complaint is the sensory assault of it all. This is exacerbated by current meme culture resulting in my classmates
incessantly reciting stupid ass brainrot terms such as "gooning", "edging", "rizz". Every day, all day. Man, that shit causes total psychic death. I'm currently 
awaiting a set of earplugs to spare me from their torment.  

Another one of my major complaints - in American schools atleast - is that the conditions are seemingly completely hostile to life. Half of the rooms have no
sunlight whatsoever, opting instead for strain-inducing fluorescent lights, others have barely maintained vents which stink up the room with the scent of brain
damage. I often contrast American schools with Japanese schools, I envy how open and organic they feel. Relative to the complaints of OP, these would probably
be deemed trivial by most, but the sensory assault of school greatly affects me. It completely destroys my ability to do any sort of mental labor either during or after
school, and results in weeks of stifled intellectual/creative activity; the sensory assault of school typically leaves me in a delirious state of mind.

That being said, school for me is alright in pretty much every other domain. My school is orderly, I've never experienced bullying, and although I have a poor social status
this was self-inflicted rather than imposed onto me. Given the sample of classmates, I've decided that social aspirations aren't for me. I've dedicated this period of my life to
self-study while I sit in the waiting room for college. 

Edited May 12, 2024 by Presadhereno

[Jaz:3]

On 5/12/2024 at 7:07 AM, Presadhereno said:

but the sensory assault of school greatly affects me. It completely destroys my ability to do any sort of mental labor either during or after
school, and results in weeks of stifled intellectual/creative activity; the sensory assault of school typically leaves me in a delirious state of mind.

this is quite true for me too! I don't really understand what you meant by "sensory assault of school", maybe it means too much knowledge shoved into your head? But I do understand the part about not being able to learn in school sometimes.

I don't know if this is true for anyone else, but do you find it that sometimes when you're studying, you just can't focus at all? Despite you're trying to receive what the teacher is saying and you know that it might be important knowledge but you can't bring yourself to do it? You'd just look at a distance or just look at anything and kinda spacing out, not really thinking. And after going home after school just left you all tired or "delirious", lol.

So I totally get what you mean by that haha.

[Fairyfire]

Erm school sucks

 

[SoullessEmperor]

My highschool was great until the covid pandemic came by and ruined my chances of graduating from 12th grade. Thankfully, the pandemic ended and I was able to graduate at the age of 20. That was around last year. I'm glad I'm now out of school, at least for now. Overall, school kinda sucks at times, but at least it can be useful for education.

[BeerCanBennytheIV]

Here's my high school experience. Btw OP, class of '09 looks like a really good vn. I've been meaning to play it but I'm saving all my money and don't want to pirate it so I can't :(

Spoiler

I started my high school years off goody two shoes and got almost straight A's, but then slowly started caring less and less and skipped with friends. To avoid my parents knowing about this I snuck onto their phones and blocked the school district number, and threw letters from school away when I took the mail in. I used to be fat and ugly in middle school, but over the pandemic I stopped eating junk food, jogged, and did alot of pushups and v-ups so I wasn't fat anymore and got a big confidence boost. Looking back though I was still ugly cause I had no fashion sense like every other freshman. I basically played clash royale, met future friends, and browsed the /v/ /k/ and /out/ boards that whole school year.

By Sophomore year I skipped class probably once a day atleast, and started dating a really hot Argentinean girl on the JV softball team (it only lasted a few months and I left her cause she kept talking a bunch to her ex and older dudes, but it was nice). I dated my ex's friend to piss her off, but realized I was being immature and didn't actually like her friend, so I stopped quickly. I would hide in my basement sometimes after pretending to leave the house for school in the morning, and then spent all day at home while my parents were at work. My main friend group were all stoners, but I didn't care about drugs (not for religious reasons I'm an atheist) so I was always the trip sitter. That was always really chill, and there was a freaky but also funny time when I watched them try shrooms for the first time. We also did alot of urban exploring in the nearby city. By this point I was still trying a little in classwork, and had a few C's, but mostly A's and B's from me turning in work over google classroom. There was this funny thing I did when teachers were being assholes; I would "go on strike" by skipping the teacher's class for a week straight, and coming in late when I finally showed up again (it actually worked kind of). I also went full schizo when it came to the internet, and deleted the few social media I had except youtube for privacy, and cause it was all just vanity and streaks. My friends and I also got into these boxing matches with eachother on the tennis court since this one dude I knew brought two pairs of boxing gloves for some reason, but we had to stop once security noticed. One random night I accidentally downloaded an app for memorizing the hiragana, and ever since I have been teaching myself Japanese as a hobby.

Junior year is when I completely stopped caring. I completely started skipping both my math and English classes, and didn't bother doing the work online. The only class I almost never skipped was weight training because I could get gains for free, and hang out with my closest bros. I would take the lightrail and bus to random places and hang around the city and airport instead of going to school. I started dating a sophomore (shortstack alt girl, also Filipina like me) who I was getting along with in my chemistry class last year, and gave me her number when signing my yearbook. After hanging out with her a bit during summer, I decided to get exclusive with her. We were steady and good from the summer and up to like October, but of nowhere she dumped me in the middle of homecoming. I still have no idea why she did that but these things happen, so I just pubstomped on left 4 dead 2 versus when I got home while everyone I knew blew up my messages to ask if I was okay. I think she actually tried getting me back because she would intentionally only hang out with our mutual friends when I was with them as an excuse to talk to me, but I didn't want to be played for a fool. I also finally replaced my old ass iphone, and got a nokia 2780 and a murena fairphone 4 (great phone btw, it's an android based OS but without any google software on it). Some of my friends started getting into heavy drama and bad shit, like fencing smokes and weed to crazy guys you shouldn't associate with, and I basically became the backup to call if they thought they were gonna get jumped. I got into some pretty bad fights during that time, and narrowly avoided getting into legal trouble after breaking some dude's nose (props to my friends for never snitching the mfs went to juvie).

By this point, I was completely done with school. It seemed like a huge waste of time since I knew most of what I was supposed to be taught, and in truth I didn't even want friends as weird as that is. I finally negotiated with my parents to let me drop out and get a GED. I went on vacation to the Philippines with my parents to visit family. While at a resort, I met this really cute Japanese girl my age. She was awful at English, but was really surprised that I could speak (JLPT 4 at best) Japanese. I don't know how I did it, but after hanging out and having dinner together for a few days, I spent the night in her room while her parents were in downtown Cebu, and it might be the highlight of my life up to this point. Skipping to today, I am now working as many hours as I can get, working out and playing Touhou 11 and Victoria 3, and waiting until my birthday to go to the USMC recruiters. Call me stupid, it doesn't really even line up with my philosophy, but it's what I am going to do because I feel it's my duty even though the US has gone to shit. Plus one man in each generation of my family has served since WW1 and my brother is a manchild getting a useless degree so I want to do it in his stead. I have gone no contact with most of my friends out of my own volition, I am only keeping in contact with my best bro from elementary school, and haven't seen him in person for a few months. I don't feel loneliness if anyone wonders, I'm not sure why, but I'm guessing it's an undiagnosed personality disorder or something. I just can't feel it even though on my days off from work I probably say less than 100 words directed outwards, though I do talk to myself when I'm chilling alone. That's about it, I'd be in my senior year now btw.

 

I didn't expect that to be so long, but I just started typing since I don't really have any reason not to. If anyone read all that, thank you and I'm glad you survived my typing. Have a nice day/night my friends.

[Macbeth]

On 6/28/2024 at 12:09 PM, Sonulianic.Exe said:

My highschool was great until the covid pandemic came by and ruined my chances of graduating from 12th grade. Thankfully, the pandemic ended and I was able to graduate at the age of 20. That was around last year. I'm glad I'm now out of school, at least for now. Overall, school kinda sucks at times, but at least it can be useful for education.

Tough fate, do you think you will go to college or nah, you will just go straight to joining the workforce?

[pocketcalc1205]

I miss it sometimes but I'm glad I'm out now, especially since I graduated so long ago. The splendors of adult life are both a blessing and a curse.

A lot of teachers and students in my high school were "rats", i.e. nepo-babies. I moved from Washington state to an Upstate New York suburb when I was pretty young, so my family were outsiders. My mother tried to join the PTA but she was essentially bullied out for being what the natives call a "transplant". My older brother was bullied relentlessly since he was already in 10th grade at that point, and lots of teachers and students in the school didn't take kindly to someone who wasn't born and bred in this one town.

A lot of kids in my school got a lot of shit handed to them on silver platters for no other reason besides being natives. Their parents were born and bred, their grandparents too, and their grandparents parents. I was on my high school football team and I can't even count on two hands how many times our lineman were shuffled around to give rats their time in the spotlight, whether they were actually good or not. One of our guards was a kid named Bobby (not real name). He gave about 1/3 effort he should be giving and I saw him get trampled by others constantly, and yet he still was the star and won all the awards. He even had the balls to get cocky about his status. This was for no other reason besides multi-generation nativeness.

Thank god the teachers weren't allowed to sway our grades because of our status. I got it easier only because I was young when we moved, and I graduated with flying colors. As for the others, high school was pretty much the highlight of their lives. I kept tabs on them and about half our football team couldn't finish their first college semester because they weren't used to actually having to work for what they want rather than it just being given to them. Nowadays, they're STILL in this little suburb, slamming drinks at the local pub and whining about how the miss the "good ol' days".

So in other words, I had a very mixed school experience. I made loads of friends that I still talk with to this day, but nonetheless there was a lot of bad vibes to go around. I can only hope that the culture heals someday.

Edited July 2, 2024 by pocketcalc1205

[SoullessEmperor]

4 hours ago, Macbeth said:

Tough fate, do you think you will go to college or nah, you will just go straight to joining the workforce?

I'm thinking of joining the workforce just to earn some money. 

[Jaz:3]

On 6/29/2024 at 2:28 AM, BeerCanBennytheIV said:

Here's my high school experience. Btw OP, class of '09 looks like a really good vn. I've been meaning to play it but I'm saving all my money and don't want to pirate it so I can't :(

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I started my high school years off goody two shoes and got almost straight A's, but then slowly started caring less and less and skipped with friends. To avoid my parents knowing about this I snuck onto their phones and blocked the school district number, and threw letters from school away when I took the mail in. I used to be fat and ugly in middle school, but over the pandemic I stopped eating junk food, jogged, and did alot of pushups and v-ups so I wasn't fat anymore and got a big confidence boost. Looking back though I was still ugly cause I had no fashion sense like every other freshman. I basically played clash royale, met future friends, and browsed the /v/ /k/ and /out/ boards that whole school year.

By Sophomore year I skipped class probably once a day atleast, and started dating a really hot Argentinean girl on the JV softball team (it only lasted a few months and I left her cause she kept talking a bunch to her ex and older dudes, but it was nice). I dated my ex's friend to piss her off, but realized I was being immature and didn't actually like her friend, so I stopped quickly. I would hide in my basement sometimes after pretending to leave the house for school in the morning, and then spent all day at home while my parents were at work. My main friend group were all stoners, but I didn't care about drugs (not for religious reasons I'm an atheist) so I was always the trip sitter. That was always really chill, and there was a freaky but also funny time when I watched them try shrooms for the first time. We also did alot of urban exploring in the nearby city. By this point I was still trying a little in classwork, and had a few C's, but mostly A's and B's from me turning in work over google classroom. There was this funny thing I did when teachers were being assholes; I would "go on strike" by skipping the teacher's class for a week straight, and coming in late when I finally showed up again (it actually worked kind of). I also went full schizo when it came to the internet, and deleted the few social media I had except youtube for privacy, and cause it was all just vanity and streaks. My friends and I also got into these boxing matches with eachother on the tennis court since this one dude I knew brought two pairs of boxing gloves for some reason, but we had to stop once security noticed. One random night I accidentally downloaded an app for memorizing the hiragana, and ever since I have been teaching myself Japanese as a hobby.

Junior year is when I completely stopped caring. I completely started skipping both my math and English classes, and didn't bother doing the work online. The only class I almost never skipped was weight training because I could get gains for free, and hang out with my closest bros. I would take the lightrail and bus to random places and hang around the city and airport instead of going to school. I started dating a sophomore (shortstack alt girl, also Filipina like me) who I was getting along with in my chemistry class last year, and gave me her number when signing my yearbook. After hanging out with her a bit during summer, I decided to get exclusive with her. We were steady and good from the summer and up to like October, but of nowhere she dumped me in the middle of homecoming. I still have no idea why she did that but these things happen, so I just pubstomped on left 4 dead 2 versus when I got home while everyone I knew blew up my messages to ask if I was okay. I think she actually tried getting me back because she would intentionally only hang out with our mutual friends when I was with them as an excuse to talk to me, but I didn't want to be played for a fool. I also finally replaced my old ass iphone, and got a nokia 2780 and a murena fairphone 4 (great phone btw, it's an android based OS but without any google software on it). Some of my friends started getting into heavy drama and bad shit, like fencing smokes and weed to crazy guys you shouldn't associate with, and I basically became the backup to call if they thought they were gonna get jumped. I got into some pretty bad fights during that time, and narrowly avoided getting into legal trouble after breaking some dude's nose (props to my friends for never snitching the mfs went to juvie).

By this point, I was completely done with school. It seemed like a huge waste of time since I knew most of what I was supposed to be taught, and in truth I didn't even want friends as weird as that is. I finally negotiated with my parents to let me drop out and get a GED. I went on vacation to the Philippines with my parents to visit family. While at a resort, I met this really cute Japanese girl my age. She was awful at English, but was really surprised that I could speak (JLPT 4 at best) Japanese. I don't know how I did it, but after hanging out and having dinner together for a few days, I spent the night in her room while her parents were in downtown Cebu, and it might be the highlight of my life up to this point. Skipping to today, I am now working as many hours as I can get, working out and playing Touhou 11 and Victoria 3, and waiting until my birthday to go to the USMC recruiters. Call me stupid, it doesn't really even line up with my philosophy, but it's what I am going to do because I feel it's my duty even though the US has gone to shit. Plus one man in each generation of my family has served since WW1 and my brother is a manchild getting a useless degree so I want to do it in his stead. I have gone no contact with most of my friends out of my own volition, I am only keeping in contact with my best bro from elementary school, and haven't seen him in person for a few months. I don't feel loneliness if anyone wonders, I'm not sure why, but I'm guessing it's an undiagnosed personality disorder or something. I just can't feel it even though on my days off from work I probably say less than 100 words directed outwards, though I do talk to myself when I'm chilling alone. That's about it, I'd be in my senior year now btw.

 

I didn't expect that to be so long, but I just started typing since I don't really have any reason not to. If anyone read all that, thank you and I'm glad you survived my typing. Have a nice day/night my friends.

Thx for sharing man, I wish you the best

 

2 hours ago, pocketcalc1205 said:

I miss it sometimes but I'm glad I'm out now, especially since I graduated so long ago. The splendors of adult life are both a blessing and a curse.

A lot of teachers and students in my high school were "rats", i.e. nepo-babies. I moved from Washington state to a Western New York suburb when I was pretty young, so my family were outsiders. My mother tried to join the PTA but she was essentially bullied out for being what the natives call a "transplant". My older brother was bullied relentlessly since he was already in 10th grade at that point, and lots of teachers and students in the school didn't take kindly to someone who wasn't born and bred in this one town.

A lot of kids in my school got a lot of shit handed to them on silver platters for no other reason besides being natives. Their parents were born and bred, their grandparents too, and their grandparents parents. I was on my high school football team and I can't even count on two hands how many times our lineman were shuffled around to give rats their time in the spotlight, whether they were actually good or not. One of our guards was a kid named Bobby. He gave about 1/3 effort he should be giving and I saw him get trampled by others constantly, and yet he still was the star and won all the awards. He even had the balls to get cocky about his status. This was for no other reason besides multi-generation nativeness.

Thank god the teachers weren't allowed to sway our grades because of our status. I got it easier only because I was young when we moved, and I graduated with flying colors. As for the others, high school was pretty much the highlight of their lives. I kept tabs on them and about half our football team couldn't finish their first college semester because they weren't used to actually having to work for what they want rather than it just being given to them. Nowadays, they're STILL in this little suburb, slamming drinks at the local pub and whining about how the miss the "good ol' days".

So in other words, I had a very mixed school experience. I made loads of friends that I still talk with to this day, but nonetheless there was a lot of bad vibes to go around. I can only hope that the culture heals someday.

wow, that's crazy, glad to see you made some friends tho. My mom always say: "Don't look up to see people who have it better than you, but look down to see that you have it better than a lot of people", basically it's about gratitude.

[Turbonator]

I never did that well on books so I just went to work instead

[Jaz:3]

On 7/3/2024 at 8:06 AM, Turbonator said:

I never did that well on books so I just went to work instead

Hopefully it's a nice job for you tho

[Jaz:3]

Im gonna rant a little so don't mind me...

Spoiler

I FUCKING HATE COLLEGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 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upcoming postS! relating to this a bit coming soon...